Richiesta di delucidazioni circa il nome di
Edward Pearson Ramsay
Edward Pierson Ramsay
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1) Alberto scrive a Libby
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From: Alberto Masi <paolo.masi15@tin.it>
Date: 2009/9/20
Subject: Pearson or Pierson Ramsay
To: libby.robin@anu.edu.auCiao Libby,
which of the two names is correct?
http://www.asap.unimelb.edu.au/bsparcs/archives/P000730a.htmEdward Pearson Ramsay
Edward Pierson RamsayThanks. Best
Ciao !!!
Alberto
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2) Libby scrive a Gavan
From: libby.robin@gmail.com on behalf of Libby Robin
Sent: Sun 2009-09-20 9:07 AM
To: Gavan John Mccarthy; Alberto Masi
Subject: Fwd: Pearson or Pierson Ramsay
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Gavan - there is a question here about Ramsay's middle name. It looks to me as if it is misspelled in the header. I have never seen it spelled Pierson - but you may have had reasons to spell it differently from the Australian Museum etc. Can you copy your reply to ALL - Alberto Masi is doing an international biographical project about ornithologists and picked up the inconsistency.Libby
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3) Gavan risponde a Libby and Alberto, (and Ailie)
To: libby.robin@anu.edu.au ; Alberto Masi
Cc: Ailie Smith
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 8:00 AM
Subject: EOAS - RE: Pearson or Pierson RamsayDear Libby and Alberto, (and Ailie)
Looks like our Bright Sparcs entry was edited in 2006 and the spelling was changed to be in line with the ADB Online http://adbonline.anu.edu.au/biogs/A060004b.htm
However, the person doing the change did not pick up all the relevant change places. I am away from the offices and the files but I would guess that we got the original spelling from the Australian Museum.nder the circumstances and given the two spellings are well and truly in the public domain it should have gone in as an alternate spelling or name form.
Which is right or the one he used I am not sure - there might be a little story here.
(Ailie - you might want to check this in EOAS)
Regards . . . Gavan (Uni House, Canberra)
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4) Libby scrive a Ailie Smith (cc. Alberto and Gavan)
From: Libby Robin
To: Ailie Smith
Cc: Gavan John Mccarthy ; Alberto Masi
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: EOAS - RE: Pearson or Pierson RamsayThe ADB is likely to have done the research and we should go with them in my view, but indicate that Pearson is an alternative spelling. I am pretty sure this was what was at the A Museum which was where I did my research (in the old card catalogue there). But if Pierson is a majority decision, that is interesting.
L
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5) Ailie scrive a Gavan (cc. Alberto and Libby)
To: "Gavan John Mccarthy" <gavan.mccarthy@unimelb.edu.au>
Cc: <libby.robin@anu.edu.au>; "Alberto Masi" <paolo.masi15@tin.it>Dear Gavan, Libby and Alberto,
I have dug out our old Bright Sparcs file for Ramsay and there are
examples of both spellings of his name in documents.In the original print version of Guide to the Archives of Science in
Australia (published in 1991), he is Edward Pierson Ramsay. In the print
version of the ADB (published in 1976), he is Edward Pierson Ramsay.
Also if you search for him in the National Library or Mitchell Library
catalogues, he appears as Edward Pierson Ramsay. However there are some
old photocopies in Bright Sparcs file that indicate he used to be Edward
Pearson Ramsay in the Mitchell Library.I will add Pearson as an alternate spelling to his entry here.
Unfortunately I can't give a definitive answer as to which spelling is
correct, all I can add is that both spellings are used.Kind Regards,
Ailie
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6) Alberto risponde a tuttiTo: libby.robin@anu.edu.au ; Ailie Smith ; Gavan John Mccarthy
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 8:01 PM
Hi to All,
I have found (National Library of Australia) a clipping of newspaper with the title "Late Dr.Ramsay" that brings as name Pearson. Besides also the book of "Bo Bolens, Michael Watkins. Whose Bird ? Yale University Press & Christopher Helm, 2003" brings Pearson to pag.265. Arthur McMartin, in the text of the grandfather of our Edward, "Ramsay, David (1794-1860)", Australian Dictionary of Biography, Volume 2, Melbourne University Press, 1967, p.361, brings that his grandmother (David's wife) was a girl called Pearson. ...
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Thanks for Your courtesy.
Best. Ciao !
Alberto Masi
Parma, Italia7) Alberto si accorge di aver sbagliato:
From: Alberto Masi
To: libby.robin@anu.edu.au ; Ailie Smith ; Gavan John Mccarthy
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 8:01 PM
Subject: CORRECT - Re: Pearson or Pierson RamsayEdward's grandfather, John Ramsay, David's father (Edward's dad), he had married one "Miss born Pearson" (his grandmother), as it brings Arthur McMartin, "Ramsay, David (1794 - 1860) ", Australian Dictionary of Biography, Volume 2, Melbourne University Press, 1967, p. 361.
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Please, excuse me ... I have entered in the "ball !"
(proverbio italiano).
Alberto-
Alberto Masi8) Alberto da nuovi documenti ....
To: libby.robin@anu.edu.au ; Ailie Smith ; Gavan John Mccarthy
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 12:38 AM
Subject: Ramsay PEARSONHi to all,
excuse me and my stubbornness I am sure, to the light of these new web documents, the correct name is PEARSON.
Ciao !
Alberto Masi
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http://belindacohen.tripod.com/ramsayfamilyhistory/pearson.html
Dr David Ramsays grandfather John Ramsay was a tennant in Dunning in 1835, Gorthy from 1835 to 1750, Carshead, and Greenhill from 1761 to 1788. He was married in 1735 to Isobel Brugh, at Dunning. The couple had 7 children, the youngest being David's father, John. John was baptised at Fowlis Wester in April, 1749, and was probably born at Gorthy.
John moved to Perth, and was married to Elisabeth Pearson in Perth by the Reverend John Dun in 1789. Elisabeth was the daughter of James Pearson, a baker, and his wife Elizabeth Duncan.John Ramsay, a Freeman Baker, was also a miller and corn merchant. He leased mills near Perth including Town Mill and Balhousie.
http://belindacohen.tripod.com/ramsayfamilyhistory/index.html
David Ramsay was the son of John Ramsay and Elisabeth Pearson. Born on the 16th March 1794, he was brought up in Perth, Scotland, in a wealthy, staunchly Presbyterian household. In October 1817, at the age of 25, David made and wrote a Covenant with God. Later in life he was to encourage Sarah Ann Lord to do the same9) - Cohen Belinda - trasmette la lista dei discendenti:
10) - Cohen Belinda dice di contattare John Pearson Ramsay
"Cohen" <belric2@bigpond.com>
To: "Alberto Masi" <paolo.masi15@tin.it>
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:09 PMCiao Alberto,
I have made a mistake in what I sent you.
Edward Pearson Ramsay is correct. He was known as Piers.
His son is John Simeon Pierson Ramsay. (with the 'i"!)
I have attached a report which gives the names dates and marriage partners for all of Edward P Ramsay's children. He had 6.
Tomorrow I will call the son of John S P Ramsay, who is John Pearson Ramsay, tomorrow to double check.
Have you seen the obituary written by R. Etheridge in 1917, which gives a lot of detail into Edward Ramsay's life and work?
Best wishes,
Belinda11) - Cohen Belinda invia la risposta di John Pearson Ramsay
From: "Cohen" <belric2@bigpond.com>
To: "Alberto Masi" <paolo.masi15@tin.it>
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 5:47 AMCiao Alberto,
I will attach the obituary, which I think is ok for you to use with acknowledgement to the Author. It was sent to me by Ian Mason, who was also writing about Edward Ramsay lasy year, and contacted me.
I have spoken to John Pearson Ramsay. He is E P Ramsay's grandson. He said that Edward's given name was Pearson, but that he used the spelling Pierson.
His two sons names are Pierson, but John the grandson is Pearson. He is sending me some paperwork, but this seems to be correct, and explains the differences in spelling of Edward's name.
His first son Edward Henry Pierson is the one known as Piers.
Best wishes,
Belinda12) - Cohen Belinda risposta definitiva
From: "Cohen" <belric2@bigpond.com>
To: "Alberto Masi" <paolo.masi15@tin.it>
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: Pearson or PiersonCiao Alberto,
I have confirmation and documentation of the spelling of Edward Pearson Ramsay's name.
His birth record has Edward Pearson Ramsay.
He used the spelling Edward Pierson Ramsay through his professional life.
A copy of his marriage certifcate has Edward Pierson Ramsay.
A copy of his death certificate has Edward Pearson Ramsay.
His grandson John Ramsay sent copies of these theree documents to me.
I am glad that you brought my attention to this. I will have to alter my web site accordingly.
Good luck with your project,
Best wishes, Belinda
ORIGINALI
From: Alberto Masi <paolo.masi15@tin.it>
Date: 2009/9/20
Subject: Pearson or Pierson Ramsay
To: libby.robin@anu.edu.auCiao Libby,
which of the two names is correct?
http://www.asap.unimelb.edu.au/bsparcs/archives/P000730a.htmEdward Pearson Ramsay
Edward Pierson RamsayThanks. Best
Ciao !!!
Alberto
----- Original Message -----
From: Libby Robin
To: Gavan John Mccarthy ; Alberto Masi
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 1:07 AM
Subject: Fwd: Pearson or Pierson RamsayGavan - there is a question here about Ramsay's middle name. It looks to me as if it is misspelled in the header. I have never seen it spelled Pierson - but you may have had reasons to spell it differently from the Australian Museum etc. Can you copy your reply to ALL - Alberto Masi is doing an international biographical project about ornithologists and picked up the inconsistency.
Libby
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From: Gavan John Mccarthy
To: libby.robin@anu.edu.au ; Alberto Masi
Cc: Ailie Smith
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 8:00 AM
Subject: EOAS - RE: Pearson or Pierson RamsayDear Libby and Alberto, (and Ailie)
Looks like our Bright Sparcs entry was edited in 2006 and the spelling was changed to be in line with the ADB Online http://adbonline.anu.edu.au/biogs/A060004b.htm
However, the person doing the change did not pick up all the relevant change places. I am away from the offices and the files but I would guess that we got the original spelling from the Australian Museum.nder the circumstances and given the two spellings are well and truly in the public domain it should have gone in as an alternate spelling or name form.
Which is right or the one he used I am not sure - there might be a little story here.
(Ailie - you might want to check this in EOAS)
Regards . . . Gavan (Uni House, Canberra)
----- Original Message -----
From: Libby Robin
To: Ailie Smith
Cc: Gavan John Mccarthy ; Alberto Masi
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: EOAS - RE: Pearson or Pierson RamsayThe ADB is likely to have done the research and we should go with them in my view, but indicate that Pearson is an alternative spelling. I am pretty sure this was what was at the A Museum which was where I did my research (in the old card catalogue there). But if Pierson is a majority decision, that is interesting.
L
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ailie Smith" <ailie.smith@unimelb.edu.au>
To: "Gavan John Mccarthy" <gavan.mccarthy@unimelb.edu.au>
Cc: <libby.robin@anu.edu.au>; "Alberto Masi" <paolo.masi15@tin.it>
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: EOAS - RE: Pearson or Pierson RamsayDear Gavan, Libby and Alberto,
I have dug out our old Bright Sparcs file for Ramsay and there are
examples of both spellings of his name in documents.In the original print version of Guide to the Archives of Science in
Australia (published in 1991), he is Edward Pierson Ramsay. In the print
version of the ADB (published in 1976), he is Edward Pierson Ramsay.
Also if you search for him in the National Library or Mitchell Library
catalogues, he appears as Edward Pierson Ramsay. However there are some
old photocopies in Bright Sparcs file that indicate he used to be Edward
Pearson Ramsay in the Mitchell Library.I will add Pearson as an alternate spelling to his entry here.
Unfortunately I can't give a definitive answer as to which spelling is
correct, all I can add is that both spellings are used.Kind Regards,
Ailie
Libby Robin
Senior Fellow
(also Senior Research Fellow, Centre for Historical Research, National Museum of Australia)
Environmental History, Museum studies, History of Biodiversity Sciences, Conservation in Arid Zone Australia, World History, History of Australian Science, Ecological Humanities
Expertise: History of environmental science, global and comparative environmental history, environmental sensibility and national identity, history of ornithology (study of birds)
Phone: +61 2 6125 5016
Fax: + 61 (0)2 6125 0746
E-mail: libby.robin@anu.edu.au
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Ailie Smith
The University of Melbourne eScholarship Research Centre
Level 2, Thomas Cherry Building
The University of Melbourne
Victoria 3010
Phone: +61 3 8344 4647
http://www.esrc.unimelb.edu.au/
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Gavan John Mccarthy
Chief Investigator in Australian Research Council project [LE06680026],
The Australian Dictionary of Biography Online and Emerging National Information Systems: Networking Research Capability, Australian National University